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B-ong's banning 20130128
« on: 2013 01 28, 00:38:19 »
HELP I GOT BANNED BY YQT1001 AND IT SAID THAT I WAS GRIEFING AND THAT ISN'T EVEN A WORD SO WHAT? YEAH I DID BUILD SOVEIT JA OVER HIS POSSIBLY FUTURE DESERT AND PLACE A BIT OF CATI BUT HE BANNED ME FOR GRIEFING WHICH ISN'T EVEN A WORD. ALSO, ACCORDING TO HIM (WITH THE IJKY ISLANDS PENINSULA DISPUTE) YOU ARE ALLOWED TO BUILD IN UN-CLAIMED TERRITORY, AND HE DIDN'T GET BANNED FOR A WEEK. BUT THEN I DID AND I GOT BANNED FOR A WEEK THIS IS NOT FAIR STOP THIS!! STOP HELP I NEED HELP THIS SUCKS YQT IS A
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****ING MOTHERSUGGER SONOFA**** LOSER COLD-HEARTED BACK STABBER THAT BANNED ME FOR AN REASON THAT HE DID HIMSELF
« Last Edit: 2013 01 28, 17:45:46 by Bla »

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Actually, you were using the disputed territory as an excuse to boss stuffhappens around. I approved Soviet Japan because stuffhappens is a good friend and doesn't deserve your harsh treatment.

Secondly give me any evidence that Kinar is disputed territory.

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Boss him around? Where?

Does it really matter if it's disputed or not? It's still unclaimed territory.
« Last Edit: 2013 01 28, 00:46:41 by bong »

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Er, just set the record straight, the Soviet Japan thing wasn't done by bon-g, it was a prank that Kipz, Yqt, and me were involved in which was aimed at the fact that bon-g and stuffhappens were fighting over that piece of land. And yes it was approved by Yqt, and at the time it was still under dispute, so what we did is technically legit because it was not officially claimed.

Unless bon-g built some other soviet japan thing elsewhere.

As for the bossing around, I would count the absolute refusal to compromise with stuffhappens as an example. Not to mention that you are often times an a-hole to other people :P

"GRIEFING AND THAT ISN'T EVEN A WORD SO WHAT?"

Oh yes it is a word! :D

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=griefer

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=griefing
« Last Edit: 2013 01 28, 14:23:22 by smjjames »

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B-ong, you need to write in an understandable language if I'm going to consider what you say.

Why did B-ong get banned?

Why does B-ong think that's unfair?

I'll be extremely busy until next Monday or something, uhh, and probably from then and until Friday maybe, Idk really.............so please stop doing inappropriate things and definitely leave the Soviet Japan area very very alone if you're up to starting fights over the dispute and you need me involved in it.

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« Reply #5 on: 2013 01 28, 18:20:27 »
Bla wants me to post my reasoning behind the ban.

Basically, yesterday I found my region Kinar to have been "Soviet Japan" griefed. I checked the logs and it was done by bon-g. I banned him for a week.





To be honest, if I wasn't afraid of the blaist reaction the week ban would easily be a permanent one.

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« Reply #6 on: 2013 01 28, 18:37:10 »
Also, just to clarify what I said earlier, I misunderstood that bong had made another soviet Japan thing, also I went in game and yqt showed me the thing.

Saturday night he had made an hi smj using levers, he did remove it when asked to (he did ask me in irc whether or not it was okay, despite already making it so that's minor compared to what he did here :p )

Btw, the 2 1/2 stacks of levers that he used, he dumped into one of my chests (no idea if he used materials from my warehouse, but meh, I've got plenty of cobble and wood is easily obtained), I went and dumped into the public storage in Spawntown.

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« Reply #7 on: 2013 01 28, 19:03:10 »
Ok, I don't know if people have been active recently, but if that's all people have been doing then you can do a rollback to get B-ong's "Soviet Japan" removed.

Kinar is the new region you wanted to found east of your current regions?

B-ong, what do you have to say in defense?

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« Reply #8 on: 2013 01 28, 19:50:37 »
Ok, I don't know if people have been active recently, but if that's all people have been doing then you can do a rollback to get B-ong's "Soviet Japan" removed.

Kinar is the new region you wanted to found east of your current regions?

B-ong, what do you have to say in defense?

I'll take it down manually, and yeah Kinar is part of my recent additions.
« Last Edit: 2013 01 28, 19:56:12 by yqt1001 »

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« Reply #9 on: 2013 01 28, 21:27:36 »
@smjjames, yqt spelled grieving incorrectly on the ban message. yes i was being a hole so stuffhappens could go die in it (it's really deep too)

@Admins (holykol admins i've never used that word only admin). Okay so time to do a situation thingy like i did with stuffhappens (fyi our relationships is imporving).

and, i know what yqt is trying to do. argue until my whole ban is over, and then say like "you win" since i already got my ban. so i want it so that the ban is removed and that if i lose the argument that then i will serve the punsih ment.


Okay, so yqt claimed a piece of land, but Bla didn't approve it yet. So, i took up my chance to get revenge on Yqt1001 (the nub). I did the same thing yqt did to the peninsula, as according to him it was legit since it was unclaimed. That's all. In addition, he did not get banned while he himself bans me, the unfair little nub. and, he also gets a suggestion from Bla to roll me back. I find that very unfair, as when my peninsula got messed up, I never got any roll back suggestion from Bla (who was in that stay-away-from-EE mode). If yqt get's it, how come I don't? <-- More unfairness. We hear out the defense BEFORE the judge (Bla) gives the punishment, not after.

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« Reply #10 on: 2013 01 28, 21:32:33 »
****, your reaction to the ban is the most childish thing I have seen anyone on the server do. Your constant spamming on IRC against me, your language against me and general hatred of everyone has led me to the conclusion of banning you from the server permanently.

Bla can override this so bug him, not me. Bye!
« Last Edit: 2013 01 28, 22:06:40 by yqt1001 »

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« Reply #11 on: 2013 01 29, 18:05:38 »
You also can. And hatred of people does not correlate to Blacraft, and I don't show hatred to people of Blacraft. Examples?
I see you avoided my questions, typical for someone who makes mistakes, and doesn't want to argue as you'll lose the point.

@The last part? Exactly what I mentioned
"and, i know what yqt is trying to do. argue until my whole ban is over, and then say like "you win" since i already got my ban. so i want it so that the ban is removed and that if i lose the argument that then i will serve the punsihment."

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« Reply #12 on: 2013 01 29, 18:26:08 »
and, i know what yqt is trying to do. argue until my whole ban is over, and then say like "you win" since i already got my ban. so i want it so that the ban is removed and that if i lose the argument that then i will serve the punsih ment.

Okay, so yqt claimed a piece of land, but Bla didn't approve it yet. So, i took up my chance to get revenge on Yqt1001 (the nub). I did the same thing yqt did to the peninsula, as according to him it was legit since it was unclaimed. That's all. In addition, he did not get banned while he himself bans me, the unfair little nub. and, he also gets a suggestion from Bla to roll me back. I find that very unfair, as when my peninsula got messed up, I never got any roll back suggestion from Bla (who was in that stay-away-from-EE mode). If yqt get's it, how come I don't? <-- More unfairness. We hear out the defense BEFORE the judge (Bla) gives the punishment, not after.
First of all, I made Yqt and admin because I trust Yqt and because I think Yqt can make fair judgements. That is why I gave Yqt the tools to ban people etc. Yqt is now also a judge, but I can also judge if people disagree with Yqt's judgement. Is that an understandable reply to the first paragraph and last sentence?

As for land and revenge, that is a completely wrong way to deal with a problem. If you think you've been treated unfairly, you state why and then we find a solution to that problem if you were truly treated unfairly. Taking revenge in Blacraft, deliberately annoying other players, is equal to vigilante justice, that is not ok.

You continue to refer to your peninsula as your own, but the fact is that it is disputed, and the endless dispute was the reason for what happened to it, not that it was "unclaimed".

The fact that you have tried to spam Yqt on IRC for this is more evidence to me that you're sadly not responsible enough to play on Blacraft, even though it isn't "officially" linked to Blacraft. The fact that you decide to annoy other people and thus fuel conflicts further and cause more trouble for everyone instead of trying to find solutions to the problems and listen to other people tells me something about you that I can't simply ignore. So, sorry about this, it was fun playing with you when I played actively with you, I hope that you will understand these things at some point in the future so that you can play again - and everyone can enjoy playing with you as well.

Based on what has happened I agree that the ban shouldn't end before we've seen a clear reason that **** is determined to stop annoying other people, whether it's in Blacraft or elsewhere.

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Re: B-ong's banning 20130128
« Reply #13 on: 2013 01 29, 21:08:43 »
othx for wasting my last 1 year in minecraft.

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« Reply #14 on: 2013 01 29, 21:12:20 »
KOL

protip: use alt+0173 (this character: ­) instead of a - in the title

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« Reply #15 on: 2013 01 30, 08:09:54 »
othx for wasting my last 1 year in minecraft.
That's your own fault entirely.

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Based on what has happened I agree that the ban shouldn't end before we've seen a clear reason that **** is determined to stop annoying other people, whether it's in Blacraft or elsewhere.

     So if i leave and come back in the summer will that count as "stop annoying" or do i have to be active and not be annoying? Define annoying.
Intentionally causing trouble for other players or intentionally wasting their time, for example, you spamming Yqt on IRC.

If you really think I shouldn't play Blacraft again, state it clearly.
Ok, I think you shouldn't play Blacraft again. Definitely not when you behave like this.

Also, while I am inactive, will polls still take from my resources? If so, _Darvince has already agreed to take over my nation while my
"perma-ban".
Your collective storage will be considered inactive and nothing will be taken from it.
Darvince what do you have to say about taking over ****atar?

Also please keep this discussion in this thread.

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« Reply #16 on: 2013 01 30, 13:24:50 »
Bla, what about the items that are not collective storage?

Obviously and rightfully, b-ong could protest about it, but um, if darvince takes over the territory, then that would basically solve it. Otherwise, what should we do with them?

I was going to make a post about it yesterday, but then realized that I didn't want to seem too much like being a vulture or something by asking so soon.

Edit: I looked out of curiosity and apparently getting banned does not lift the protection lock *sound of b-ong yelling 'YES!' in the background*. Not that I was planning on stealing his stuff.
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« Reply #17 on: 2013 01 30, 22:55:12 »
Sry i deleted my account it's not my falt (or maybe it is) that i have adhd's thingy. somethings i can concentrate but then i get bored and...

     So if i leave and come back in the summer will that count as "stop annoying" or do i have to be active and not be annoying?
       ^
could you adress that.

* b-ong YAY


i has found proof,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attention_deficit_hyperactivity_disorder#Signs_and_symptoms
Blurt out inappropriate comments, show their emotions without restraint, and act without regard for consequences
« Last Edit: 2013 01 30, 22:57:33 by b-ong »

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« Reply #18 on: 2013 01 31, 06:47:00 »
ok adhd is very common, so what you happen to have a more severe case of it?

also, i accept bon­gatar, only if it is added to the "nation" of SKA. the collective storage should become private chests to me btw.

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« Reply #19 on: 2013 01 31, 08:28:37 »
Sry i deleted my account it's not my falt (or maybe it is) that i have adhd's thingy. somethings i can concentrate but then i get bored and...

     So if i leave and come back in the summer will that count as "stop annoying" or do i have to be active and not be annoying?
       ^
could you adress that.

* b-ong YAY


i has found proof,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attention_deficit_hyperactivity_disorder#Signs_and_symptoms
Blurt out inappropriate comments, show their emotions without restraint, and act without regard for consequences
You need to show that you're determined to not annoy other people. Leaving and coming back in summer doesn't show that you've realized what you did wrong. I can't give you a guide on how to show that you can respect other people. We will have to judge from how we see you treating other people.

As for ADHD, I see, there's nothing to do about that, and it wouldn't be fair if it meant you couldn't play on the server, everyone should be welcome. I also know from the past that you can play and respect other people. Do you think that would be possible in the future also? Are there any things we can do to avoid trouble?

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« Reply #20 on: 2013 01 31, 20:43:31 »
B-ong: having known you in real life for the past five years, I can tell you that you don't have ADHD. Secondly, using a real mental disease as an excuse for your unacceptable behavior as of late calls into question not your mental health but your character.

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« Reply #21 on: 2013 01 31, 21:32:14 »
Having worked as an admin/moderator on many sites, the whole "I have mental health issues you have to like me" excuse is not actually legit. I have met well respected and responsible members of communities that have autism, ADHD and etc. Some of them are respected enough to be admins or moderators as well. I don't disagree that you have ADHD and at your age it may be hard for you to control it like an older member would.

Bla seems to be convinced that we should unban you just from that statement. I'm not sure about European/Denmark healthcare policies, but even if bong was to be diagnosed by a doctor for having ADHD, still doesn't mean he actually has it. It's more or less an easy way for doctors to explain odd behaviour. An unrelated rant, but doing this unfortunately has awful consequences for the child in the future since he is labeled as having a mental disorder. Doctors here try everything to diagnose people with mental disorders just to get the parents to shut up basically. This is also a good money grab for nations that have backward healthcare policies. :P

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« Reply #22 on: 2013 01 31, 23:53:33 »
trust stuffhappens he knows bo­ng irl

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« Reply #23 on: 2013 02 01, 00:34:01 »
just because i don't get angry around you doesn't mean i don't have it.
and btw i can remember quite a few occasions where i got really muad at you.

yqt Bla said that he'd unban my IF i get out of my bad behavior,
i never said you had to like me, it's an explanation for my "outburst"


and stuffhappens you better not let it slip how old i am...


guys you're like deoxy II to me, but i suppose you're still angry at me  Deoxy_I


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« Reply #24 on: 2013 02 01, 09:06:59 »
I won't unban Bong unless we can be sure that he doesn't grief or annoy people in the future.

I don't know enough about ADHD to comment on that. In any case, people do what they do because they are the way they are. In the end it doesn't matter, there are always reasons for why people do what they do. In the end people probably have very little control over how they end up. Genetic factors and the environment play a huge role that you don't see on the surface of a person. I want everyone to be welcome, but yes, in the end that is impossible if people harm the community. Then I simply can't let them play on the server.

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« Reply #25 on: 2013 02 01, 15:34:14 »
As Yqt said, B-ong, it does sound like you're trying to make ADHD as an exuse for your behavior. I have ADHD myself (medicated though as I get REALLY hyper without it, heh) and while I can be really silly at times and occasionally impulsive (partially the reason why I kept dying so much with that diamond armor early on XD , also noobness), I don't act the way you do.

Even if you DO have ADHD (which stuffhappens says you don't), it does NOT excuse you from acting like an **** and annoying other people OR excuse you from not being responsible for your actions.

I won't unban **** unless we can be sure that he doesn't grief or annoy people in the future.

I want everyone to be welcome, but yes, in the end that is impossible if people harm the community. Then I simply can't let them play on the server.

Well said Bla.

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« Reply #26 on: 2013 02 01, 22:18:10 »
okay it seems that we have finally come among a decision, yay.
so i'll [try] to be on my BB! :)

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« Reply #27 on: 2013 02 02, 00:16:08 »
If that decision is to keep you banned, than you are correct. 

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« Reply #28 on: 2013 02 02, 00:23:12 »
dude can't you read post

I won't unban **** unless we can be sure that he doesn't grief or annoy people in the future.

I want everyone to be welcome, but yes, in the end that is impossible if people harm the community. Then I simply can't let them play on the server.

btw how's the "Boat Rail" going

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« Reply #29 on: 2013 02 05, 00:55:27 »
Lucky fiah, unbanned in less than an hour.
http://universesandbox.com/forum/index.php/topic,2724.msg78184.html#msg78184


am i right to assume that the reason i am banned many times longer is that my degree of griefing is much greater than fiahs, and that the server was not the 'real' one?
« Last Edit: 2013 02 05, 00:58:10 by b-ong »

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« Reply #30 on: 2013 02 05, 03:51:08 »
1. yes
2. yes

so, 3600 secs * degree (about 100) * not real (about 300)

or 100 million seconds, aka a permaban (works out to about 4 years)

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« Reply #31 on: 2013 02 05, 08:10:22 »
Lucky fiah, unbanned in less than an hour.
http://universesandbox.com/forum/index.php/topic,2724.msg78184.html#msg78184


am i right to assume that the reason i am banned many times longer is that my degree of griefing is much greater than fiahs, and that the server was not the 'real' one?

It was also from fiah taking the word anarchy a little too literally (as well as being a poor word choice on Bla's part as it was too open to interpretation, even I thought anarchy would be like nuke the world or something).
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« Reply #32 on: 2013 02 16, 01:50:10 »
Bla do you mind if i post this every power-of-two interval? (2^n)



2^4 (yeah i know i missed it last time)


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« Reply #33 on: 2013 02 16, 11:11:15 »
Bla do you mind if i post this every power-of-two interval? (2^n)



2^4 (yeah i know i missed it last time)
Post what? Anyway if it has no relation to your ban, don't.

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« Reply #34 on: 2013 03 05, 21:59:31 »
Life is too short to hold grudges against people for non-life scaring reasons.


[16:38] <+Yqt1001> however I will drag this out years
[16:38] <+Yqt1001> if it is necessary

Listen to Dan Dixon's, Wise Advise, and don't turn into the deoxy100.

Also, I inferred here that I was doing something you didn't like, socould you teeel me what i'm doing wrong? Tanky tanks.

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« Reply #35 on: 2013 03 06, 16:01:26 »
When you stop acting like an immature 5 year old at times and taking responsibility for your actions and the consequences would be a start.

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« Reply #36 on: 2013 03 07, 05:18:34 »
well, bon­g, you have your grudges too that you need to solve.

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« Reply #37 on: 2013 03 07, 12:05:18 »
Also, I inferred here that I was doing something you didn't like, socould you teeel me what i'm doing wrong? Tanky tanks.

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« Reply #38 on: 2013 03 07, 22:41:54 »
So, are you just ignoring what me and Darv said?

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« Reply #39 on: 2013 03 07, 23:18:58 »
the answer is: no

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« Reply #40 on: 2013 03 09, 05:17:34 »
Then reply to us.

Also, you are being very immature. That's what's wrong.

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« Reply #41 on: 2013 03 09, 12:13:52 »
I did it with the quote!
that I was doing something you didn't like, socould you teeel me what i'm doing wrong?
It's you who is not replying.


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« Reply #43 on: 2013 03 10, 16:17:47 »
please elaborate that further [how]

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« Reply #44 on: 2013 03 11, 21:59:22 »
You have a grudge against stuffhappens for no reason.
You have a grudge against Yqt1001 because he rightly banned you.
You griefed in his territory because you claimed it was 'unclaimed'.
You say irritating things in IRC and on ubox forum.
You think you will be unbanned because you manufacture depressing stories.
You point out the completely obvious all the time.
You think you are glorious and can defeat anything.
You think you have privileges that don't even exist.
You refuse to compromise, even in defeat.
You refuse to listen to other people's point of view.
You act like the world is your playground.

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« Reply #45 on: 2013 03 12, 00:02:18 »
You have a grudge against stuffhappens for no reason.
You have a grudge against Yqt1001 because he rightly banned you.
You griefed in his territory because you claimed it was 'unclaimed'.
You say irritating things in IRC and on ubox forum.
You think you will be unbanned because you manufacture depressing stories.
You point out the completely obvious all the time.
You think you are glorious and can defeat anything.
You think you have privileges that don't even exist.
You refuse to compromise, even in defeat.
You refuse to listen to other people's point of view.
You act like the world is your playground.


1. not anymore
2. not anymore
3. that counts
4. like?
5. depressing stories where
6. so?
7. i wasa talking about He, not me
8. like?
9. me vs. stuffhappens that was not defeat. other examples?
10. where


i thought this was me->yqt not me-> darvince
oh well

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« Reply #46 on: 2013 03 12, 00:06:44 »
Wow what a bad argument.

"You have a grudge against Yqt1001 because he rightly banned you." "not anymore; i thought this was me->yqt"

"Not anymore" yeah, sure. ::)

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Re: B-ong's banning 20130128
« Reply #47 on: 2013 03 12, 00:15:29 »
1. Complete bullsh**.
2. Complete bullsh**.
4. You are like 'haha, elmo's world' in serious topics or you spam this asinine sh­it:
http://universesandbox.com/forum/index.php/topic,9089.msg99864.html#msg99864
http://universesandbox.com/forum/index.php/topic,2331.msg100146.html#msg100146
http://universesandbox.com/forum/index.php/topic,3205.msg99587.html#msg99587
5. You manufactured from thin air that you supposedly have ADHD.
6. This makes you even more annoying.
7. He = you for all intents and purposes.
8. You think you automatically deserve respect and sympathy.
9. You were defeated vs stuffhappens. You lost the land.
10. When you were arguing with stuffhappens for the land, you never presented a different compromise even though stuffhappens had rejected your last one.
11. You do anything wherever you wish, often ending poorly for you, and you act like consequences can't affect you.
« Last Edit: 2013 03 12, 00:26:10 by Darvince »

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Re: B-ong's banning 20130128
« Reply #48 on: 2013 03 13, 21:30:56 »
replying to your number:
3. where'd #3 go
4 a). yeah you didn't link that
4 b). i was telling you to just make the poll!!  ;D ;D
4 c). i really needed to see it , i deleted it now
5. yes i do have ADHA
6. this goes with 5 not a new thing
7. no, He is the Master of Bongatar, not Me
8. where? and even if i did, i didn't get it so i don't see the problem
9. Bla/Yqt still has to draw the borders, it's a tie. i'll dig out the post later
10. i did
11. kol but they do right? i can act that my hand being cut off doesn't affect me but it does, so ???

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Re: B-ong's banning 20130128
« Reply #49 on: 2013 03 13, 21:46:45 »
3 left because it was already solved, no need keeping it.
4a. (I'm assuming this is the gigant images) I linked that because it clearly shows that you're trying to troll others.
4b. Well, you have no need for the huge image.
4c. Sure you needed to see it, you could have just gone to your profile.
5. You don't have ADHD, you were completely normal before these last months. Plus, you don't even exhibit some of its symptoms.
6. I'm assuming that this means that you agree with it, and that it's a valid point.
7. He is for all purposes, you. He is your invention, and you would be the master of Bongatar if it existed.
8. When Yqt kept slaughtering you in pvp, you demanded your stuff back and acted like it was required for you to defeat him at least once.
9. Well, Yqt and Bla both agree with Stuffhappens's plan, which means it was a loss.
10. No, your land proposal when you wanted the land didn't change even when stuffhappens knew you were losing.
11. I mean social consequences, not physical.