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If we add 300 meters the edge will be longer and harder to repair. I would say at most 200 meters, you can only see around 160 meters anyway, but I would make that a general rule and not follow it very strictly, so that the cropping edge will be as short as possible.

You must post here:
- If you found a new team. Remember to tell the name and flag.
- If you request to join a team.
- If you leave a team.
- If you want to rename your team or change your flag design. You can keep the current territories, but please limit your renaming etc. as much as possible.

- If you claim an unclaimed zone. Remember to tell the zone number, and posting a screenshot of the planted flag to prove your claim would be nice as well.
- If you want to relocate your base. Remember to tell the zone number you want to relocate to.
- If you want to attack an enemy zone. Remember to tell the zone number.
- Attackers and defenders of zones should organize when the battles happen here as well.
- The results of battles should also be announced here, remember the zone number, and including a screenshot of the flagpole after battle would be useful as well.

Zone number reference map:



So most recently,

Ahere Front changed name to The Lenin Front.
The Blue Front has claimed zone 30, 35 and 28.

So the map is currently:

Remember that September 7, next Saturday, is the next day where you must keep your collective storages updated in the Google document.

Can we name battleground zones? Would make any possible war reporting much easier. Or at least number them, so that battles can have clear names (ie, Battle for Zone #1 on 20130102).

Anyways if something big happens in the battleground soon, I plan on logging any battleground actions taken, including belligerents, activity during battles (eyewitnesses) and fatalities based on log reports. The logs get so detailed that we could even determined how much damage was done by a front to another one.

Good idea with the zone numbering. Are you editing the world map atm? Otherwise I'll name/number the zones.

how do flags work.

can the defending team repair their flag/try to destroy the flag the enemy is putting up?
would it be legit to have a flag different by one block, so the attacking team only has to change one? (But then They'll have a hard time defending too so it's a weakness)

The current rules say that you take over the zone if you manage to replace the flag within a timeframe of 30 minutes. There is no repair option.
You would simply try getting to the enemy flag, like by pillaring, destroy it, and place your own wool blocks. If you manage to do it, you win the zone.
No matter your flag, you should have to replace all the blocks, so all teams are equal in that sense.

wait so that means that someone can mine, like mine, another zone with tnt and when someone claims it just explode t???

You are not allowed to build or mine any blocks in buildings and the environment of zones which other teams have claimed.

So no.

Oh and two more things, will you disable /whois, and we just break the deathchest before battle i guess

I don't think I would disable whois, it would be easier to tell people not to use it and checking the logs afterwards to see if they used it. DeathChest should be broken before battle yes.

Do I need a front to just run around and kill people randomly?

That's not legal even if you are in a front, the fights need to be organized in The Battleground.

Fiah, you need to change your current team to the Lenin Front then, and expand into adjacent zones from it.

Edit: The flag is red, red, yellow, red, accoring to Fiah on Blacraft.

can i use vacation mode? like because i have to go to vacation from Aug 22 to Aug 30 thanks

Vacation mode isn't an option.

last post- that was stupid nvm i ddin't even have a team
so for the flag placing, does it have to be in plain sight or something?
also when you calim a place all you do is stick a flag somewhere right? and add a base if you want and post it here

The flag should be in plain sight, I don't think the rules say so officially, but all flags in there are afaIk currently in plain sight and it certainly shouldn't be underground. Also, the higher up it is, the harder it is for the enemy to climb up the flagpole to change it. However, I hope people won't be making 200m tall flagpoles because of this. I hope people will make relatively realistic flagpoles so that the flags are visible around 10-20m above the surface. That would be my suggestion and how most of Red Front's flags are currently.

i join sequoia front

Atomic needs to approve this.

Actually, this speak about capital zones gave me a fun idea:

Every team should have a zone designated as base. It has speial properties:
- 2 weeks instead of 1 week chance to find a fighting date if attacked.
- If it is conquered, the enemy gains control of all the team's territories. (Or should the team just relocate the base?)
- All zones must be connected to the base zone. So if another team takes control of a zone in a way that makes some zones disconnected from the attacked team's capital, the enemy automatically gains control of all of those zones as well.

(This makes the map look better and also makes fighting more strategic. If we could build a beacon in The Battleground around the center, that would help a lot to bring more strategic PvP options to the zone as well. Therefore I propose that the UBSR devotes its first beacon materials to The Battleground, the beacon would then be conquerable property but not allowed to be destroyed.)

Do people understand what I'm proposing? Do people like the idea? If you've played Empire Attack, the system is supposed to work a bit like how your outer zones decay when your supply lines are cut, here the enemy just takes everything that depends on the point (zone) where the supply line was cut (zone was conquered).

You outlined it on an outdated map. Use this one.

http://zoom.it/PkPv

And the map is correct.

You still have to wait 7 days to battle him, additionally you need to be a part of a Battleground team which has a zone next to one of his zones to battle one of his zones that border you, and your Battleground team must accept that you try battling him.

There are still unclaimed zones on the map btw.

I don't remember if you're on any team.

2. what if the person cannot make it within 3 days because he is a: inactive or b: active but is busy

Then the person/team owning the zone loses the zone.
However I've been thinking of increasing the duration to 7 days, because there haven't been any fights yet, so waiting up to 7 days shouldn't be too problematic.

3. is there any difference if you capture the "capital" or the zone the names are on or just any regular zone?

There are no capital zones, the names on the world map can be in any random location inside the area they're naming, the location has no meaning and is only judged from where it blocks the least important surface details.

4. can you have deathchest?

I haven't made any rules on this, but back when we made The Battleground there obviously was no DeathChest system. I will not allow DeathChest currently, as it is a PvP zone and risking losing items is a part of the battle.
Allowing it could maybe encourage people to battle more because it's less dangerous, so we could consider it.

5. are nether portals allowed?

In a battle, you should stay in the area you're fighting over, so you shouldn't use the Nether for that. The Nether isn't a part of The Battleground and shouldn't be used to get an advantage in a battle.

We could turn some of the unclaimed land which was earlier a part of Quontia into a community region yes.

As for converting regions, I think we should at least try contacting the previous owner before doing it, or use the /seen command (if that works) to see if the owner has been offline for a year. If Quontex has been offline for a year, I think it's fair to turn Quonbla into a community region.

Ventus is still active occasionally and manages Foressia, so we need his permission to do that.

Removed shadowassassian5221 from whitelist and added shadowassassin5221 to whitelist.

I propose that the state collective is not in Spawntown, and instead somewhere else like Plaidania or Capital.

I already proposed that. You're not in UBSR, so I don't see why you should have any influence on it or why you even care.

Plaidania, why?
Capital, why?

Capital is in YUP, even though it follows UBSR economics I dont like the idea of having the UBSR State Collective Storage outside the UBSR state. The reason should be logical. Yqt has also said sometimes when I considered inspecting his collective storages that he might leave UBSR if I do that, so I have the impression that YUP regions may not be a very "secure" location for the collective storage in the long term, but Yqt knows that better than I do obviously.

Plaidania, is a part of Chazabethia which is UBSR, but you seem to have been managing it the most, and you're not UBSR. It's not clear to me anymore who should be considered the manager. If it should be in Plaidania, then I think Plaidania should definitely be considered a permanent part of UBSR.

I would suggest maybe Yukitown, Ampluterra, Matolony, or Revolutea as possible alternatives to Spawntown. They have been a part of UBSR for a long time, but they should consider whether they're sure to stay a part of it as a region first. Kakto City or Epicland (possibly Pine Hill) are other options which we know will be a part of UBSR.

shadowassassian5221 has been added to the whitelist.

You could suggest him to join this forum, it helps with the communication and when people want to mark terrories etc. on the world map, since Blacraft isn't a reliable place to discuss that.

No, I'm suggesting the regional collective storages continue like now and one state collective storage that is managed only by voting is built for resources like this case. The resources in the state collective would be spent before the ones in the regional ones as well.

...Maybe we should implement the UBSR Collective Storage which is tied to the entire state rather than a region so that you can only poll resources out of it and store the wool in there?
If so, we need to choose a place to build it. I don't have a problem with it not being in Spawntown, but I think it should be a place that we know will not leave UBSR, that would be a pretty stupid place to put the storage at least imo.

I could update your sheets with the wool, that would be no problem, but I'm more worried that not everyone may have chests designated for it or even room for it, so I think it might be a bad idea to make the system this way.

I inspected smjjames' collective storage, and found these values to be off:

Item: Reported number / actual number
Glowstone block: 0 / 161
Brick item: 0 / 896
Nether brick item: 0 / 1728

Total wool: 0 / 1232
Light gray wool: 0 / 227
Black wool: 0 / 109
Brown wool: 0 / 15
Red wool: 0 / 56
Orange wool: 0 / 58
Yellow wool: 0 / 560
Lime wool: 0 / 125
Green wool: 0 / 22
Light blue wool: 0 / 2
Blue wool: 0 / 47
Pink wool: 0 / 11

Note on the wool: I see you last accessed the chest 59 days ago, so this number (1232) must've been different from the reported number the last month (1134).

Birch plank: 0 / 64
Oak plank: 0 / 1024
Jungle plank: 0 / 576
Spruce plank: 0 / 64
Default sandstone: 0 / 1728
Nether quartz ore block: 0 / 128

Blaze rod: 0 / 92
Ghast tear: 0 / 7
5 glass bottles were additionally found, but couldn't be listed in the spreadsheet.

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You came online during the inspection, and I see you just forgot to update it, plus I was the one who deleted most of the values when I added all the new items to the spreadsheet, so I don't think it's fair you should compensate for the values being off.

The wool I don't think you miscounted intentionally, but according to the law you would actually have to pay 196 wool to the rest of UBSR (excluding Spawntown) in compensation for it. The colors weren't listed then, so you get to choose the colors. Do you accept the 196 wool to be redistributed?

In other news, the spreadsheet is now updated. It reveals that UBSR now has more than 20,000 coal and 15,000 redstone. How amazing.

first of all, do i count blaze rods in my furnace?

If it's private/locked, then yes. If you don't want to graph your items, put them in a public storage or an item library.
As far as I know blaze rods are very abundant, so if you want to save time graphing, you could simply store the blaze rods in publicly available chests/furnaces.

but you have to include everything listed in the spreadsheet right?

also, should i just put "0" if i don't have anything or do i just leave it blank

Again I recommend reading the law:
http://blacraft.wikia.com/wiki/Rules/Law_of_the_Union_of_Blacraft_Socialist_Regions#.C2.A73.2_Collective_Storages

You can put 0 if you don't have anything of an item, otherwise I will fill it with 0 when I update it on Saturday anyway, because I assume people list the items they store.

Again, I recommend that you reconsider what you store in the collective storage if you don't want to spend the time on updating the sheet. You seem to have put many more items than the rest of us into your collective storage in the past, which was one of the reasons I had to include all the other items in the spreadsheet. I would prefer if people would only store items listed, and request more items to be added to the list, if they need to store different items.

In any case, it's only once a month you update it (unless you update it when you take items out or store them, but that will probably take more time considering how much you use your collective storage), if you for some reason don't have time some day I might be able to do it for you but not all the time.

Also, when you update in the future, remember to change item amounts in the "total resources now" column, I fill the other columns by copying from it:

that gives me an idea

bla you should make a sewer thing underneath spawntown

Kol, what would that even be for? So that we can put more bathrooms below the toilet's water system?

So, just to clarify, you want us to update on the first friday of each month or update on the first saturday of each month (or on the day before the first saturday of the month in case the 1st of the month actually does land on a saturday)?

From UBSR law §3.2.1:

Collective storages must be registered in this document, and their manager must update the document so that it shows the correct values the first Saturday (UTC) in each month.

This means it would be a good idea to update it on Friday, and change it during the Saturday in case you move stuff in/out of the storage that day.

In practice I will be copying the values probably around 9:00 UTC, plus/minus some hours. You can see the dates in the first row of every sheet in the Google document. If I've already filled the column with the specific date, there's no need to update it before next month.

If you see I've copied the data and you didn't update it you can still update it and then tell me, then I will fix the values, but I would prefer if everyone remembered to keep their stats updated for when I copy them on Saturday.

Also, if you're going to list every possible thing, you're missing poisonous potato, though they really have no use right now.

I'm not, it would be impossible to list all the millions of potential fireworks rockets, different colors of leather armor, enchanted tools etc. Because of this I've excluded certain items, which I think the item library system works better for.
I've considered adding unenchanted diamond tools and iron tools though.
I've also considered whether we should allow people to store maybe a limited amount of certain items (like enchanted tools) in private chests without using the item library system, I'm not completely sure about this idea.

For bookcases and books, do you want to count the books stored in the bookcases themselves?

What do you mean by this? Can you store books in bookcases? As far as I know, there are bookcases which are blocks, which would simply be blocks when you've stored them in your collective storage, the same way as a chest inside a chest can't hold items. If you mean the books (items) that the bookcase is made of, no, because there is already a cell for the books, so that wouldn't be needed.

This is just an opinion, but shouldn't the totals be AFTER the things that it is a total of? I'd understand if you have to rearrange a whole bunch of equations if you were to change it.

I put them before to have it work the same way as the categories, as a sort of headline before you see all the different clay types etc.

The collective storage doc is now updated. Everyone should update it with their collective storage items so it's correct on Saturday, August 3, and every first Saturday in each month from then and on. It is much more detailed than the earlier one, so you should all check it to see whether your values are correct, they probably aren't. Wool, wood, glowstone and other items have all been split up, for example. You should only fill white spaces, the gray ones update automatically.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AhyGV27WETcEdHZLNHU1LWN5eEhEbVlDQ0laUWQzc2c#gid=10

If you have any questions, just ask.

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